Why do we allow our elected officials to do this to us? Maybe because not enough of us pay attention. The legislature (notice I did not use "our legislature") spends and spends. It would be great if they did so sensibly. What we need is infrastructure; repair, maintain, replace or new. We need a skilled workforce. We need an educated populace. We need jobs. We don't need to catch up with other states, we need to bypass them.
We have a chance to try a new group this coming election, let's give them a chance. If they fail, well, throw them out next election. If not Louisiana is doomed to loose it's population, it's businesses, and itself (coastline!).
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 400 of 1289 Newer› Newest»You Republicans are so full of shit it is astounding. Clinton cheated on his wife with a consensual partner and you wanted to impeach him, not because of any policy or political mistake, but because he cheated on his wife, who incidentally is a woman most of you detested anyway... because if there's one thing Republicans hate more than homosexuals, it's a strong woman, particularly when that woman decides to hold her family together despite her husband's admitted transgressions. They like to grandstand about the sanctity of marriage, but when a man cheats on his wife and the wife reconciles with him, they call for impeachment. Yet when David Vitter calls prostitutes up, the only thing Republicans can do is retire themselves to the tired trope of Clintonian infidelity, as if has now become a culturally accepted excuse.
The same people defending Vitter were the very ones disparaging Clinton for having an affair. Say what you will about Monica Lewinsky, at least Bill Clinton wasn't desperate enough to phone some sleezy call girl service.
If Republicans believed in impeachment because of the Lewinsky affair, they should be consistent and call for Vitter's resignation.
Lance better impeach all those cards he is passing out praising his service with Vitter. Family values, whooooeeeeeee. lol
To this moron,----- >Monday, July 09, 2007 11:01:00 PM
Big difference between Clinton’s transgressions and Vitter’s. Clinton was not impeached for having Monica give him a blow job under his desk in the oval office, his impeachment was a result of Clinton’s lies to a federal grand jury and the obstruction of a federal investigation. The same charges that tripped up Scooter Libby. Clinton, by the way, lost his law license over the commission of this felony.
Vitter has never been charged with any crime, but if he were, the most he could be charged with is solicitation. Under DC ordinances, it’s a misdemeanor.
Nice try at the spin dumbass, but apples ain’t oranges and misdemeanors ain’t felonies
In stead of talking apples, oranges, and clintons, why not just talk about Vitter's hipocracy, dishonesty, infidelity, and the fact that he failed to see the error of his ways until his conduct was publicly exposed. We are not talking about a stiff dick, but a forked tongue here.
Here's another dumbass---> Tuesday, July 10, 2007 5:49:00 AM
Get your facts straight. Vitter's contact with this DC Madam occured while he was a US Rep, sometime in 2000. He admitted using the service 5 years ago and got counseling. He admitted this again 3 years ago during his run for the US Senate. (Because you're a mental lightweight, you must have forgot)
This latest attention to Vitter is prompted because the phone records were just posted to the web.
Now, I'm not defending Vitter's actions, but when a mental midget like you says, "...he failed to see the error of his ways until his conduct was publicly exposed," somebody is going to call you on spreading lies.
Did Vitter fail to keep his pecker in his pants? Yup... Has he been a hipocrate? Maybe...you have to look at what he said AFTER he confessed in 2002, found Christ, got counseling, and received forgivness from his wife. Has he been dishonest? Hell I don't know. Seems like he's fessed up to everything so far. Infidelity? Yup, but if his wife is OK with that, who are we to judge the guy? That's the same logic Clinton used...If Hillary is ok with Bill's repeated affairs, who are we to judge?
So far, Vitter has done exactly what I want him to do as Senator. I really don't care what he does when he's not on the Senate floor.
No the prior Vitter confessions was of his affair with a New Orleans prostitute. No the Washington D.S. madam has outted him a second time, although it was in the past. How many other pasts "sins" will Vitter ask forgiveness for after they come to light? I am a Republican, and he embarasses me.
Ya gotta wonder if the Moral Majority and the family values christians that you republicans pander to are going to be as forgiving as you. Ya see, the problem is that you bible thumping hipocritical mother fuckers like to rant about american moral decline but are happy as hell with a wayward devient or child molester as long as they get your pet projects funded. He might need to practice the Swaggart lip quiver.
As as for his wife who professed the Lorena Bobbit approach when she was taking cheap shots at Hillary apparently took a different position when her income stream was put at risk.
Too bad you didn't learn something from the Delores Brewer campaign - admit your failure and occasionally try telling the truth. If you did that, catching you wouldn't be nearly as much fun.
Let me offer some information about the City Attorney using his city issued credit card to purchase dinners at Copeland's. I was a state employee for many years. I had a stae issued American Express card for my use. But that didn't mean the state paid all the charges I made on that card. I had to submit expense forms to get the state to repay me any allowable expenses. Personal charges were my resposibilty. I would think the City Attorney must submit documentation supporting any allowable expenses.
Why would you make unauthorized charges on a state issued credit card? If you would not have paid the unauthorized charges would the state be liable? Whop did you reimburse the personal charges the state or the credit card company?
Governmental issued credit cards are not for personal use.
I don't understand what your saying and your reasoning. If it was a state issued card and the state was responsible for the charges nthen the state was responsible for unauthorized purchases. Doesn't ring true.
The only example of an acceptable use could be traveling and using the company card to pay for your room. If you had other charges, for personal phone calls, or movie orders billed to your room, these would not be paid for. You would then have to do a reimbursment.
I know that my husband has, in the past paid for his personal cell phone calls on his company cell phone. It doesn't make sense to carry two phones.
Why didn't Bridget Brown run for mayor if she is so hell bent on being a part of the city government. Maybe she should run for Chuck Fowlers seat on the council when he is up for reelection??
We are speaking of a governmental credit card not a "company" credit card. Different rules. Every other day the news reports governmental employees being arrested for making unlawful purchases on a government credit card.
Why does the government have credit cards anyway? Why would Chuck Johnson, or any city employee need a city credit card? What do they need to purchase in such a hurry?
Who in the city has one of these cards? Is that also public information? With all the talk of city vehicles, why no mention of these cards?
Did they ever do anything with the vehicles, or has these also been delayed?
Wonder who drives a COA Ford Expedition that lives in the Woodworth area?
BB is not running for mayor, but her protege' is running for State Representative.
Although Kelvin Sanders is involved with the whole Bridgett mess, he must be more competent than Herbert Dixson.
Jindal and Vitter have always been almost inseparable political allies. Lets see how this plays out now.
K. Sanders graduated from LSU undergrad and Tulane Law top of both classes.
Thank you Bridget.
Sorry I didn't make myself perfectly clear about the state issued credit card I had. I had to pay ALL charges made on the card. My employer, the State of Louisiana, would reimburse me allowable expenses that I had incurred in the course of my job. The State did not pay any money to American Express.
Now I understand. One could take the position the card was actually yours and the state was just reimbursing you those expenses allow by law.
Now a true governmental agency issued card cannot be used for personal purchases. If Mr employee x bought Mrs employee y a birthday meal in town and not oln city business Mr. X broke the law if the credit card used is a city backed and paid credit card.
Numerous government employees, especially in the military, have government issued credit cards with a limit of $2,500.00 per purchase. The card bill is paid for by the government but the emplolyee must document each purchase charged to the card.
Larry English is an honor grad from LSU and Tulane Law. Louisiana’s finest.
No Pinhead, Tuesday, July 10, 2007 7:20:00 AM.
Vitter never had any affair with a New Orleans hooker, and the DC Madam has not outed him a second time.
Sheesh, you Democrats need to huddle and get your facts straight
Au contrair, dipshit:
From WDSU
NEW ORLEANS -- Jeanette Maier, known as the Canal Street Madam, claimed Tuesday that Sen. David Vitter visited her Mid-City operation beginning in the mid-1990s.
According to Maier, Vitter would pay $300 an hour for services. She would not disclose how many times he came to the Canal Street home, only saying that it was more than once.
On another subject, where has Charles F. Smith been for these past meetings. I no longer see him killing time at the courthouse, although I imagine he still gets his handout. Anyone know anything.
Kelvin was NOT even near the top of either class and would not have made it through law school without affirmative action in the form of free tutors to make sure he and a few other minorities did graduate. He did graduate and did pass the bar - and credit to him for that. However, he will not be splitting atoms in his spare time.
I heard that Charles Smith was planning his run for Sheriff. Maybe just a rumor.
With Smith's remarkable showing in the recent mayor's race, his distinguished law enforcement career, his superior intellect, his gift of oratory and educational background, he would be a powerful candidate for sheriff, no doubt.
Someone on Greg Aymond's blog says Lamar moved into Louis Marshall's district to run against him next year. I know you read this Lamar. Is this true?
What has happened to Councilman Smith? My friends at the sheriff's office say he is MIA??
Maybe he has laid up sloppy again and had a spell. He'll stagger out soon.
The prayers are starting to work: more know about Royal Alexander's attempt to protect a middle aged man who preyed upon little boys, and David Vitter's sins are now public. The prayers shall continue, and the chickens shall come home to roost. As a Christian, I am upset with Vitter. How can anyone support a man who engages in deep and vigorous penetration with men, women, boys, little girls and anything and everything between these four categories? Even if it was just light foreplay, it was fantasy, and one does not pay $300 for a fantasy typical family's would find acceptable. Keep praying, my warriors, for the truth is starting to surface.
prayerwarrior2007, i missed the articles on vitter regarding "deep and vigorous penetration with men, women, boys, little girls and anything and everything between these four". splain to me what you want me to pray for again?
biff, I want you to pray that vitter will finally come public with the whole truth. I want you to pray that Vitter will finally find the Lord and will finally do what is right for the people of our state. I want you to pray that Vitter will finally fear God and resign from his seat. The fornicator, David Vitter, needs to repent, and he needs to expose all the sex and the lies in the Republican Party. We prayer warriors trusted these men, and now we know they have lied. Never lie to a prayer warrior, because we will ask the Lord to guide us to the truth, and the Lord already has.
We prayer warriors want to know what happened in those brothels. If Vitter lied about family values, then what are his values? We pray to the Lord that Vitter will let us know.
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Prayer Warrior. It appears you are just a pervert getting off by living vicariously through others. You want all of the details????? HA!!! Of course you would.
Can't we all just get along and pray for a waterslide?
No to waterslides, Yes to spray parks.
Now we need a waterslide/spray park poll. Sounds like a project for "We are on your side." About their line of news.
GOLDEN SHOWERS
I bet Vitter gets into golden showers.
I just want the truth. Call me names, but at least I know I fall on the right side of the Lord. David Vitter will fall right into hell.
Prayerwarrior
Remember "Judge not less you be judged thyself'
I pray I will fall on the right side of the Lord. I also pray that David Vitter will seek the help he needs. That is not a judgment.
I guess it's easy to be overly critical of the city attorney when you have less than 30 days left of your termination.You seem to be on a'"get back at my boss" rampage".These evil tactics that you are engaging in are childish and cowardly.You couldn't play the race card so you found another foolish tactic to make excuses for your shortcomings.You lacked the knowledge and people skills needed for the job-GET OVER IT.You seem to be preoccupied with trying to find gossip to ruin your boss's character.I have some "TRUE"gossip for you.His skills as a prominent attorney are impeccable.He is not an arrogant,self serving jerk who plays the race card.He treats everyone with dignity and respect(whether you have $ 1 or$1,000,000).He is the only city attorney who has had the gonads to standup to those "COONS" on the city council.My advice to you is to make absolutely certain that whatever you put on this blog can be backed up with substantial evidence.Oh, I forgot,it's all BULLSHIT!Remember at the end of the day he is still a lawyer.Better yet,the one in charge. P.S. YOUR BOOB JOB SUCKS!!!!!!
A reduction?
According to Maier, Vitter would pay $300 an hour for services. She would not disclose how many times he came to the Canal Street home, only saying that it was more than once.
one does not pay $300 for simple penetration; one pays $300 for kink and scenes. and vitter, according to wonkette, paid $300 in order to wear diapers while he engaged in hardcore kink with the hookers. i guess vitter gets into scat.
http://wonkette.com/politics/dept%27-of-feces-fetishists/diaperman-david-vitter-likes-his-diapers-277270.php
How much did Jimmy Swaggert pay the Airline Hwy whores for him to just look?
How in the hell do you know what the 300.00 was for unless you were there and participated or have used the same Lady?
so now the conversation has deteriorated to the point where we are trying to gage if that philandering asshole got his moneys worth.
No, we are trying to establish the value of an "escort" and what services you receive in New Orleans, Washington, DC or Monroe St.
Pobably get more brown sugar bang for you buck on Bolton and Monroe.
All the problems in the World, Americans being killed in a dumb ass war and all the news media and Americans can talk aboiut is who is screwing whom for how much.
I don't care what he paid for pussy.
according to wonkette, vitter wore diapers during his sessions. i think we need to explore this more deeply.
Jeff Crouere just called for Vitter's resignation.
Vitter should resign.
WHY???????
And this Jeff guy and his opinion is importnt to me how?
Hell I think the entire COA City Council, all the Division heads and assistant division heads should resign. Bet that impressed the hell out of everyone
"Hell I think the entire COA City Council, all the Division heads and assistant division heads should resign."
That's going to be pretty hard when not all your divisions even have a head much less an assistant.
Matters not, OFF WITH THEIR HEADS
Is Vitter backing Maxwell for Representative?
Are you kidding? Part of Lance's job was to deliver these ladies.
Why should Vitter resign? HE IS A CRIMINAL. He broke DC anti-prostitution laws, and he is a felon in Louisiana according to our laws. He admitted guilt to breaking the law, and now he is a confessed criminal.
When Jefferson is finally convicted, you will call for his resignation, as will I. So how about some consistency?
Yeah, man, I just wonder if Vitter got to do some double or triple penetration with some bitch. I'd vote for him again. Hell yeah!
I don't care if Jefeson is found guilty and I don't care about Vitter. This state has had untold number of politicians jailed, the present Agriculture Commissioner is under charges and you getting bent out of shape over Vitter getting a litle weiird Pussy.
Get real. Shit his transgression pales in comparison to Edwards and others.
All the hell you folks are doing is piling upon him to try and keep him from being elected. You dayum democrats clean up your backyard then you worry about us Republicans
Did Vitter lie to a Grand Jury. Bill did. Bill commands great money for speaking appearances even after getting his dick sucked in the oval office.
Get off Vitter.
Let us look at the Vitter situation this way:
Jimmy Swaggert got caught peering at a whores pussy on the airline. He wailed and moaned and begged forgiveness. He was forgiven.
Then he got caught doing the same thing in California. Once again he cried, pissed and moaned and admitted to sinning.
The State has leased many buildings on his campus to keep him from losing his property and the trashy bastard is on tv every morning still peddling his religious bullshit.
He still conducts Services at his Worship Center and people still come to his Worship Center for salvation.
So we supposed to get all bothered because Vitter got him some expensive Pussy. To bad he doesn't have building to lease to the State. All this crap is falls under the heading of political bull shit.
When you look at al the good Vitter has done for a lot of folks most especially the veterans who cares about his sex life.
Hillary should wish she had a sex life. Maybe Republicans are just oversexed.
"you getting bent out of shape over Vitter getting a litle weiird Pussy."
I'm pretty sure the term is....."strange."
who cares about his sex life.
People with morals do, thats who! Its not that he had sex with a prositute but its that he cheated on his wife and was a hyprocrite about it. An asshole that lacks the moralty to not lie to his wife and children is one I cannot trust in government.
Jay Luno is all over Vitter...... He is telling one joke after another.
Is the diaper story real?
What bout the list and photos of our local legislators at the Gold Club titty bar in Baton Rouge. Would that be of any interest? Ive seen the cell phone pictures of our good family officialls with his big ole head in between some expensive titties . Think Dead Pelican would print that ?
You mean ole Punkin Head, Rick Farrar and his family values talks at the Gold Club?
I think he/she means jay LENO
Is something going on with David Vitter???
Yes, I think he is making a speech tomorrow on family values.
Hey, at least he wasn't caught giving Barney Clark a reach around........
I would rather see Vitter's wife give a speech on family values. She mus be a hell of a woman to forgve this man. I wonder if their marriage will last even a few months after the end of his term.
In view of the judgmental declarations she publicly made about Hillary's reaction to Bill's misconduct, my guess is that she is an entirely full-of-shit, mean spirited and extremely judgmental toward others, and now is having to scramble to maintain her elegant lifestyle as a senator's wife instead of having to go to work on Shoney's breakfast bar. She needs to publicly apologize to Hillary for her harsh judgment and obvious hipocracy.
David Vitter ran successfully for the U.S. House when Bob Livingston stepped down as a result of having his affair with some woman exposed. I think Vitter's indiscresions are at least as serious as Livingston's. However, I think Vitter will try to hold on either for the duration, or at least until Jindal is elected so that the Repubs can avoid Gov. Blanco being the one to appoint a temporary successor that would surely be a Democrat.
By the way, Livingston is now a Washington lobbyist pulling down VERY big bucks. Maybe Vitter will continue to follow in his footsteps.
Vitter does not have the character of Livingston. He will not step down. Will Little Vitter [Maxwell] continue his quest for office?
This has got to hurt Maxwell. His only accomplishment in life is pleasing Vitter and now that he shares that honor with a half a dozen whores between N.O & D.C. I would think that he has shat(past tense) in his credentials.
Every single person I have talked to about the Alexandria tax renewal elections say they plan to vote against it and every thing else until those assholes learn how to behave. I agree. They don't deserve our confidence or trust. They are tired of Myron giving our money away to his friends.
Is Lance Maxwell Wendy Cortez's baby? He appears very Latino, and perhaps Wendy gave birth to him after Vitter impregnated her in a New Orleans brothel. This may explain Lance's blind devotion to his mentor and, perhaps, daddy.
I hear that Myron and the rest of the Council want the tax to fail in order to punish the mayor. I guess they want to see if all the city employees will turn against him.
All the council is doin is trying to punish him because a black man was not elected mayor. they were allowed to do almost anything they wanted due to Ned's poor health. It is hard when the rules change.
Is Lance Maxwell married? Nothing I have seen about him mentions a wife?
To: vote "no"
of 07/12/2007 @ 0943:00 am
You certainly may vote against the COA tax renewal & in fact get your way... However, given the lack of credibility on the City Council, I believe you'll be potentially be making a very large mistake.
This Mayoral Administration is poised to have the ability to further increase/improve the "Quality of Life" in the COA for all concerned (not to just provide jobs for citizens both from in/out of the city).
The primary stumbling block @ this time remains the City Council and their refusal to take their proper position/action(s) due to the City Charter.
They governed without proper direction for the last 8 to 12 years and aren't willingly going to change their ways @ this time, but that doesn't mean their ways will not be changed for them!
I hope you'll sincerely reconsider you vote... and what its' long term implications will have, as I don't believe you'll like the results of what happens next if this tax renewal fails.
I don't like what is happening now with the tax in place. The city council has no respect for the sacrifice that citizens make thru taxes and I can not imagine rewarding those guys with another blank check. If the government learns to behave and direct their efforts toward the public good instead of their egos and self interest, they can come to us and ask us for money. Face it. Once the ballots were counted they had no respect for the voters or the promises they made. The only message you can send them during the next 4 years is to do to them what they are threatening to do to the mayor - cut their water off.
The renewal isn't a vote against the mayor or the city council. It's a vote against the police and fire departments and the entire city government.
Why do we need city police anyway? Doesn't the sheriff have enough money to patrol the whole parish with that huge tax that he got.
You can't be serious.
No, Lance Maxwell is not married. I did hear he was bisexual. Is that true?
I plan to vote no on the COA tax. Maybe the dumbasses won't be able to do things like by the white elephant Bently or the other nonsense they spend on including Myron's friends. And it is a cheap shot to say things about about Lance Maxwell being bi sexual. If this is true show us the proof.
I agree that the council needs to be brought under control. Maybe a shortage of funds is the way to do it. I agree with the no vote on the City tax
A no vote is the only way to send those bastards a message that we had enough. A reduction in city services will hurt the black community as much as the white. I don't know about you but I don't ride the bus.
As you read the towntalk everyday the city finds ways to piss away OUR money. I have had enough to. Vote NO on city tax. Maybe we can get some qualified Councilperson at large. I am tired of paying the tax per our utility bill that we did not ever get to vote on.
I heard he was GAY. Shouldn't a man his age be married? What is wrong with him?
The facts are that these renewals pay for 25% of the yearly operating budget and that means 25% of police, fire, public works, utilities, and planning. If you want to vote against the city council, wait until they're on the ballot. Do you really want the city to be forced to lay off police officers, firefighters, and everyone else who is involved in the daily operations? Do you think that's a strong message? Let's screw up the city? Let's reduce our police force? Let's lower our fire rating? Let's close the zoo? Is that what you want?
Some people may think our tax dollars are just money they can play with, but voting against this renewal isn't going to do anything but hurt the entire city. You wouldn't be voting against the city council or the mayor. We have separate elections for that.
How do you suggest that we voice our disapproval of the counterproductive bickering bullshit that occurs in our government. How do we express our displeasure at the city selling us out and doing a subrosa deal with Cabrini, regardless of public sentiment or good. They are using our money against us so FUCK 'EM. If they start behaving then they can come and ask us for our money to do OUR work for OUR benefit and we have always provided. Our only other choice is to say, OK, do whatever you want to us and we are going to support your efforts to fuck us over. No thanks. That's what the ballot is for. Sometimes you gotta be willing to dump the tea in the harbor and dring Pepsi.
I know a guy who sucked his dick when they were in college, so he might be gay. I heard from a friend Lance was bisexual. How can someone never married know about family values, especially if he is gay or bisexual?
A agree with the tea guy. I tried to get Chuck Fowler to call me back for two years and he has yet to bother. Maybe we should give him a few more million to play with. Sending a message sounds like a plan to me. But wait! How will the police and firemen vote?? Oh wait. They can't vote because none of them including the goddam chief live in the city or pay these property taxes. Hey, don't worry about me - I just have one vote. Worry if there are lots of disenchanted folks out there that feel the exact same way.
We pray for David Vitter and for his protege Lance Maxell, for both are stained by David Vitter's transgressions. We prayer warriors hope Lance Maxell will come clean with what he knows about Mr. Vitter. We prayer warriors also hope Lance Maxwell will denounce Mr. Vitter. We prayer warriors, 242 strong in Rapides Parish alone, hope Lance Maxwell will see and feel the light of the Lord. We prayer warriors hope Lance Maxwell will cut all ties from Mr. Vitter and from Mr. Vitter's fundraising apparatus. We pray that Lance Maxwell will follow the way of the Lord.
Do you really want the city to be forced to lay off police officers, firefighters, and everyone else who is involved in the daily operations? Do you think that's a strong message? Let's screw up the city? Let's reduce our police force? Let's lower our fire rating? Let's close the zoo? Is that what you want?
YES
Only cut taxes if they plan to fire all the liars on the City Council. Why not invest their salaries in something the Lord would condone that would benefit the community? We prayer warriors will shift gears and pray for the City Council after we are done with Royal Alexander, Lance Maxwell and David Vitter, all of whom are deeply tied to sex scandals involing prostitutes and little boys.
A prayer warrior's work is never done.
If our fire rating is lowered, insurance rates spike. You want to pay more in insurance just so you can send some bullshit "message?" It's a half of a penny, but it goes a long way.
Because true Christians believe in lifting up the poor, we support City taxes. A true Christian would not want to eliminate bus service, as that is how we get our congregations to the Lord's House. The 242 registered prayer warriors of Rapides Parish will pray for those in the City of Alexandria who suffer from greed and a lack of compassion. We prayer warriors support social justice and basic fairness. Remember the acts of the Lord Jesus Christ.
how does one become a "registered" prayer warrior?
how does one become a "registered" prayer warrior?
Simple, just sign over all you own to Bro. Mangum, vote for Maxwell,and pledge allegiance to the Pentecostal Church. Nothing to it.
You want to pay more in insurance just so you can send some bullshit "message?"
YES
Prayer Warrior,
This is your Brain {} This is your brain on drugs {?} A mind can be a terrible thing sometimes - Can I get an Amen?
"You want to pay more in insurance just so you can send some bullshit "message?" - YES"
Great idea; maybe as your neighbor's house burns to the ground because the fire dept. is short handed you can use the firm to burn that pesky garbage that's been piling up.
someone tell me prayerwarrior2007 is a delightful, tongue in cheek troll. otherwise, i think we need to set up a group to pray FOR prayerwarrior2007.
Maybe instead of cutting back on public safety they will cut back on $100K water park studies and Bentley buyouts and attempts to funnel $1,200,000.00 to Bridget Brown. Maybe if things get a little tight, they will spend some of our money on us.
Who knows, maybe most voters will agree with you and entrust vast fortunes to people who treat us with total disregard and contempt. Maybe we should tell them "we love what you are doing and here is our wallet to prove it." I, for one, do not think so and I plan to vote accordingly. Follow your conscience.
Great idea; maybe as your neighbor's house burns to the ground because the fire dept. is short handed you can use the firm to burn that pesky garbage that's been piling up.
No, what will happen when the first house burns down is that people in this City will finally get off their asses and force change. The City will then have to sell a golf course, an art center or two and finance basic service like they are supposed to. People that ride the bus will have to pay the actual cost of it, baseball teams will not be given travel expenses, and we may have to skip a bar-b-q every now and then on the Red. Until that time, I say burn baby burn.
I hope ya'll realise that if the tax doesn't pass, the cuts will begin with the folks doing the work. The mayor and the gang of five will still play with the rest of the money. Reality doesn't often rear it's ugly head in City Hall.
Is Lance Maxwell PENECOSTAL?
To the above poster who states the city has sold us down the river to Cabrini in spite of vehement public objection, SUPPOSEDLY that deal is dead in the water and the city is keeping the park. From an inside source.
That deal never seems to die, it just plays possum periodically. The Robert Wolfe letter made me think that it was still very alive.
What Robert Wolfe letter?? Did I miss something?
Also, I know Lance Maxwell,and although I will am not voting for him in this election, I want to say to the posters who are insinuating that he is gay because he is not married are full of crap. Being 27 years old and not married is not that uncommon, especially in this day and age.
He does have a girlfriend, and I know several girls he has dated over the past years. He is a good guy who has been pretty straight-laced, and does not deserve to have these kinds of rumors said about him.
He is a kid with political ambitions...do I think he is too young to be effective as a representative? Yes. Do I think he is a gay prostitute visiting boy lover? ABSOLUTELY NOT. And for prayerwarrior: I do not for one instant believe that you are truly praying for these people. Your posts ooze judgement without knowing all the facts. If you are going to ask people to pray for others, pray for their peace, strenth, and resolve. The Lord is the only one who can judge.
To Confused: Robert Wolf had a letter published in last Sunday's TT supporting keeping the park as a park. I have been surprised at the lack of discussion over this considering there has been no resolution, or at least, we have not been informed of a resolution. Usually when things go quiet like that, it is NOT good for the citizens.
July 12, 2007
Mayor Jacque Roy
Dear Jacque,
I just read the editorial page of the Town Talk this morning and was struck by the irony of the credit given to Hobbs and Lawson for the idea of re-powering DG Hunter when in fact they were the ones who supported Charles Smith when he refused to allow our presentation to the Utility Committee outlining a re-powering project in 2005.
The idea for re-powering DG Hunter originated in the late 1980’s or the early part of the 1990’s when it was suggested by Bo Connella the Superintendent of the Power Plant. The Utility Division began studying the possibility of such a project at that time. A contract was given to Black and Veatch Engineers, a large international firm with extensive power plant experience, to make a study of DG Hunter and issue a report on the feasibility of a re-powering project. Their report said that such a project would only be feasible at that time, considering the excess capacity available in the service area, if the City had a firm contract to sell the excess capacity above the City’s needs to generate enough revenue to pay off the bond issue used to build the project. A search for such a purchaser was made including discussions with LEPA, Cleco and other Utilities in this service area which produced no results, so the project was shelved...
In 2004 a golden opportunity was made available to the City when Cleco announced its plans to build a new power plant at its Rodemacher Plant site near Boyce. They had a need for a “cold start” capability for the new plant and DG Hunter re-powered with gas turbines was a perfect fit for their needs. They were willing to enter into a contract to purchase the capacity of the new plant for the term of the 15 year bond issue yielding enough revenue to pay the bonds with $3,000,000 a year left over for the City to use as it pleased. At the end of the 15 years the City would have a paid for power plant that would serve their electric power need for many years at an 8,000 heat rate which is 15 to 25% better than out current cost.
In the summer or fall of 2004, just before the lawsuits were filed, an item was placed on the Utility Committee agenda for a presentation by Mr. Tom David and me of the above mentioned project. We were in the Committee Room ready to start the presentation when Mr. Smith as President of the Council announced that the item was being pulled from the agenda. One can only speculate as to his motives, but his actions deprived the City of Alexandria and its utility customers of thousands of dollars in savings on their utility cost over the next 15 years.
Sincerely,
Sonny Craig
Holy shit! Where was chairman Fowler in this process. He seems to have an amazingly week understanding of utility issues for the council chairman of the utility committee. I am reminded at his astonishment on learning that the city water wells required a reliable power source.
The more I watch the meetings the more obvious it is that Lawson and Silver are the only ones with normal intelligence and Harry doesn't matter.
Thank you for setting the record straight. I personally hoped that Roy would bring you back onboard.
I agree with the previous posters. It might be harsh to complicate city operation for a while but this tax vote is our only chance to have our disappointment with the council noticed. They totally disregard the feelings of the community and if we continue to open our wallets to them, all we can do is sit on the sidelines and hold our nose(s). I think I am going to vote "no".
sonny did not post that letter. it was copied from an email in circulation
Despite the "chicken Little" warnings about the COA sky falling in if the the tax is not renewed it would seem that the problem is the City has too much money. Maybe if the City was on a lean budget we would stop sponsoring all these etnertainment venues, restudies of studies that have been studied, waterparks, etc.
Though he possiblt didn't post it is it factual?
Why has there been so little publicity, discussion, or promotion on these city taxes? I remember Roy mentioning them in passing at a meeting but glossed over them like he took their passage for granted. Its like they're hoping nobody will notice. I really hate sneaky shit.
I don't know if he posted it or wrote it but it is factual.
Also notice Marcus Connella acting Utilities Director is son of Bo Connella former power plant superintendent. Wow. Things don't change much.
I was told July 3 by a mayoral assistant that a compromise had been reached with Cabrini Hospital concerning the hospital's offer to purchase part of City Park. If this is true, why can't this information be shared with the citizens of Alexandria? Where is the "transparency" that the Mayor so frequently refers to? And how can you reach a compromise on a "Yes or No" question? The city either tells Cabtini "NO' or "YES"!
If Roy pulls a stunt like this, he will do incalculable damage to his support base and may even rub off on little Chris. He will never be able to justify his method. Too bad.
Why doesn't one of you that are wondering make a public record's request of the City for all correspondence and e-mails sent to or received from Cabrini regarding any city owned property?
Or would you rather sit back and speculate and bitch about it?
Your Honor:
If we have to drag information about what you are doing with our land and our money out of city hall, we have already lost the battle. Everyone knows that you can hide stuff for a while, no great trick, but if you abuse our trust and confidence and treat us with disrespect, our city and our mayor will have a heavy price to pay. I noticed that Lawson was chiding you about "transparency". Was he right?
Mayor Roy doesn't have to communicate with anyone that isn't in his social circle. Just ask him how much information the classified employees have received on his new and improved pay plan.
"Also notice Marcus Connella acting Utilities Director is son of Bo Connella former power plant superintendent. Wow. Things don't change much"
Marcus isn't the man Bo is. Bo always treated everyone the same. Marcus has an inflated sense of his worth and cannot be bothered with the working folks. Maybe thats why Roy keeps him close?
Re: Cabrini/Park
I agree with anonymous about this--if it is settled, why haven't we heard about it? Maybe it has been settled in an unacceptable way as far as citizen approval? Anon #2 is right about the fallout to Mayor Roy and possibly his family if the hospital ends up building in that space in spite of public objection.
There are enough eyes on the legal reporter that the transfer will not go unnoticed. If any transfer is not properly advertised prior to action as well as appraised and other offers requested, any transfer can be rescinded. If anyone cared to, the Rapides General purchase of Third Street could be challenged and they could be made to remove all that they have built once the sale was rescinded. It might be a good lesson to those that think back room deals are the way to make things happen. But, I forgot that not many folk care about what is legal and right around here as long as they get theirs, so it will never happen.
Why is Marcus still "acting" director? He was offerd the job, but turned it down so he could kep his civil service protectin. He des, however, get the higher salary. Evenif he screws up, he can't be easily fired. He just moves back down to assistant director of utilities.
I thought there was a time limit on how long someone could be an "acting" director.
The Lord helps those who help themselves, pw2007. Problem in this country now are there are too many riders and not enough pullers.
Cat got your tongue?
the tax election is coming up and the city is trying to scare up support for raking in more money for thier pet projects, such as the Bentley Hotel, waterparks and more money into dead downtown. give me a break.....
I plan to vote yes on the extension of the city sales tax. That is a tax shared by everyone. I plan to vote no on the extension of the city property tax. I have never felt it fair that persons not owning property could vote to impose taxes on my property.
Don't you really love it when those trying to push a property tax say most will not pay the tax due to homestead exemption. "It won't cost you anything." I am one of the many who sacrificed to have a nice home and am tired of paying taxes; whether it be property, sales or income and my money be spent as it is now by the goverment. Throwing money at problems doesn't solve the problem. Teachers cry for more money, as if they'll be able to teach better as their income increases. Aymonds has a post on his site about schemes and dreams that cites some pitiful statistics. It seems every time this lovely state attempts to attract business we loose out to another state because we don't have a literate workforce. When will Louisiana screw it's head on straight and change our image.
Deacon
The part I like is selling the renewals from a fear stand point instead of a track record standpoint. Of course with what has been done with tax money a negative track record will not sell.
According to the Clown Talk and City spokes people the COA will dry up, roll up the sidewalks and blow away if these taxes are not renewed.
Had the COA been decent stewards of our tax dollar theere would be no need to scare the citizens into voting for the renewal. The Council as well as city employees are to blame for wasting the funds.
I would say the same people that have continued to vote will show up again and hardly anyone else cares enough to perform their civic duty. Renewal will pass if recent history is any indication.
I think that the mayor is relying on that theory and that is why there has been no discussion or exposure until now but I also detect a groundswell of specific displeasure at our city govt. for the Cabrini deal, the Bridget deal, tne televised meeting deal, utility bills and council's determined effort to control the administration's every move. Maybe the folks in Kansas aren't talking but the folks here certainly are. I would be surprised to see these tax renewals pass.
No one, not even the administration spokesman, spoke in support of the taxes - only that disaster and shame would befall us it the taxes failed.
I know little about the art of selling but it seems the use of fear as a marketing tactic has little use. Normlly one points out the positive aspects of what they are selling not all the negatives.
I agree with the thought that until such time as the City Administration and Council show us they are mature enough to hanle large sums of money the COA should be put on a fiscal diet.
We need to stop sponsoring athletic events, spray parks, studies for everything under the sun, Southeren University get togethers and on and on and on.
As an example, do we need 5 Assistants to the Mayor to run the City? What services does Lamar White perform for the citizens? Why are we furnishing the Director of Purchasing a vehicle, fuel, insurance, etc? Why are we paying for birthday meals for Assistant City Attorneys? We would have never found out about the City Attorney's taxpayer furnished credit card if the City would not have trimmed dead wood.
The problem is not restricted to the Council.
I agree with everything raised here but the thing that pisses me off the most is that those arrogant bastards would even consider selling off our park when they know the public's feeling on the matter. The paper is talking about chuzpa - that's chuzpa.
The Council and the City Employees (the Mayor is an employee) have had all the money they can spend and no discipline for years. All I have seen the new Administration do is talk.
It appears there is no feeling of responsibility towards the citizens.
I think it is time to remind them who they work for.
We have that "healthy fund balance" or $17,000,000.00 surplus that Myron is always bragging about so the city can maintain all it's services for a year without the tax renewals and they will have time to learn to behave themselves and act responsibly before coming back to us to re-establish the tax. They also have the 5% hit on the utility fund which has soared because of their mismanagement of the gas purchase. How may ways do they have to screw us before we react?
Please also remember that this council ignores 45% of the voters and that 45% pays 90% of the freight and requires 15% of the services like fire and police AND aTRANS. FAIR IS FAIR.
I would think the White citizens make less demand on the City services that are a drain on the City - Transportatikon, Courts, Police, Fire - then the Black Citizens. That is ok for we are all citizens.
However, by and large the White population (as far as these two tax renewals are concerned) carry the freight tax wise. Give us something back. Stop talking, stop planning and start turning dirt. Go project for project such as Sugar House Road and Extending Versailles. That way all citizens enjoy the benefits. Stop with the bs that caters just to the Blacks.
How much has the COA contributed to the NSU marching band? How many white sports promoters has the COA contributed to? The list is endless. If we are looking for true equality let us have it. To hell with financing these projects designed to makeup for 200 years of suppression.
How is it that the same citizens that don't want the city to sell a ball park used for recreation to cabrini, is complaining about the city using tax money to pay for arts and recreation and ball teams.
If you really think that the tax shouldn't pass, shouldn't you want the city to sell off all non-esentials like the golf courses, the zoo and the ball parks?
Any word on who is replacing Laura Sylvester?
This is on the city web site under press release. It's dated July 12. I wonder why the mayor hasn't been on channel 5 and in the TT telling us all why we need to vote yes?
Please Vote
July 21st
Note: This is NOT a new tax, only renewals
•The Sales Tax represents 25% of Alexandria’s General Budget each year.
•The Millage Tax funds numerous projects, such as streets and drainage.
•61% of these dollars pay for more than 700 hard-working Alexandrians, who serve you every day
Without these renewals, the City would have to eliminate or drastically reduce services.
For example, it is probable that:
Forty police officers (1/4 of our Police force) will have to be laid off.
Thirty firefighters (1/4 of the Fire Department) will also have to be laid off.
Many employees in the finance, planning, utility and public works divisions will be laid off.
Our award winning zoo, Central Louisiana’s top tourist destination, will be closed.
City bus transportation services will have to be totally eliminated.
Twice a week garbage service will be reduced to once per week.
Little League parks, all youth summer and winter programs as well as every other recreational activity would be eliminated. This includes the baseball parks and the new golf course.
Without the renewal of these two taxes, virtually every area of the City of Alexandria will be negatively affected.
PLEASE VOTE ON JULY 21ST
If you really think that the tax shouldn't pass, shouldn't you want the city to sell off all non-esentials like the golf courses, the zoo and the ball parks?
I don't consider the arts, health and recreation to be non-essentials. That's why we can't trade our park for money.
Non-essentials are the millions that we funnel to Pat Moore and Bridget Brown and the Provosty firm, and the bevy of pseudoconsultants housed at Myron's office and the attempt to sink our money into the Bentley to bail out Silver's (recently flooded) building and dumping funds on Southern University for no decernable reason. The council has been openly threatening to defund the administration's projects and personnel to teach a lesson. Well lets play that strategy for a while.
If the city wants our millions, perhaps they should show us some respect and consideration and, dare I say it, earn our confidence.
Brigette Brown is replacing Laura Sylvester....
Well said Anon 3:38:00 However the citizens of Alexandria need to hear from Mayor Roy on this tax. Am I the only one who supports his efforts while being puzzled at his silence?
I don't consider the arts, health and recreation to be non-essentials.
Do you really consider art museums and waterslides to be on the same level with fire, police, streets and utitlities? I certainly do not.
If this city is ever going to move forward, we, as citizens, must pony up and pay the taxes necessary to make Alex. a desireable place to live. The arts, sports, etc. all contribute quality of life. The truth of the matter is the educated will cast the votes and the tax will pass. The moochers of society will sit back and continue to collect their checks while those with sense will work to move our city forward.
Many employees in the finance, planning, utility and public works divisions will be laid off.....
Layoffs in the Planning Department!!!!!LOL. Hell there aren't but 4 people left already.
The truth of the matter is the educated will cast the votes and the tax will pass.
I have a doctorate degree, and will vote NO to all of the taxes. Education has nothing to do with the vote. Probably the working classes who bear the burden for the non-taxpayers and the blue bloods, who want us all to finance their hobbies, are the ones who will vote NO for the taxes. Those wishing to continue riding the backs of the working classes will vote yes.
Sorry, but I haven't seen anything about the City Council making these "Donations" to the Sheperd Center in $100,000.00 amounts, (if memory serves me correctly twice recently) to assist dis-advantaged COA residents with their outrageous COA utility bills.
I truly question the legality of this practice. If the teat is dry, then it's dry!!!
I have absolutely NO DOUBT WHATSOEVER there are those who truly are needy/deserving, but I also believe the responsibility lay @ the COA Officals, elected & appointed alike, to make the necessary business arrangements to bring about correct pricing & discontinue making such decisions without relevent/pertinent/factual information available to them, in other words, conduct their "due diligence" in matters as if it were coming out of their own pockets @ their own household!!!
Thanks for letting me have my bitch moment for ther night...
Goodnight to ALL!!!
Electricity costs are high, but so are all fuel costs. Gas is also high. Hell, milk costs $5.oo a gallon at Walmart. Maybe people should learn to live within their means. Maybe a few folks would do better investing in insulation. Couldn't the Shepard Center help people fix their houses to cut down on future high bills instead of continuing to give out money.
Plus, if you are at work, it is amazing how much you can save at home on air conditioning. Get a job and quit complaining.
City employees and the council also have the same high bills as everyone else. I am sure they all understand.
I wonder how many employees are on our "police force"?
I wonder how many employees are on our "police force"?
Duh, stop wondering and call the police department and ask.
duh 1/4 (40) of our police force will be laid off. Knowing a little math 25% of X = 40 means our police force has 160 employees.
25% of X +35 means our Fire Department has 136 employees.
It was meant as a smart ass remark responding to the "fear" number game the COA plays thinking everyone is a fool.
I know, Lamar done the math!!!!!!
Questions about the Press Release:
1. How much is collected annually by that portion of the sales tax up for renewal?
2. What is meant by the term "General Budget" and what is the "General Budget" used for? How much is budgeted each year for and spent each year by the
"General Budget"?
Well, it appears that it is crisis time again, or at least a crisis due to lack of proper planning. I have been making my veiws known for well over two years as to the necessity for the city to wisely use the assets they have to reduce expense and generate revenue internally to because the threshhold at which the governed would be taxed has been reached.
As Sonny Craig rightly pointed out in his previous posting, re-powering the DG Hunter plant with additional gas turbines would have met all of our power needs while producing net reveue for the city coffers, thereby lessening the drive for higher taxes. Re-vanping the recycling and waste disposal - which is currently operating under a facade - could generate revenue and at the least be revenue nuetral if properly mnaged. Our waste stream could also produce natural gas with the incorporation of digesters.
But, here we are thinking we have a yes or no choice on a tax renewal that will create great angst whatever the choice - whenever we as a city failed to make the series of intelligent choices that has brought us here. Take heart - there is still tomorrow - but will we use it wisely?
Dear Duh: My experiences with the APD would show that a lay off would only mean the following:
1). I would get fewer taffic tickets (as I have been robbed several times, and APD never prevented any nor solved any);
2). Shipley's Donuts and Popeyes will have a lot of product surplus.
3). If I have a wreck I would have to obtain the adverse driver's correct information myself, rather than rely on the often incorrect information obtained by APD.
I agree with what you said but next time please say it in plain English and not as a cryptic attempt to earn the most witty blogger prize.
It was not an attempt to earn the most witty award it was an attempt to evidence my contention that the COA treats citizens as mushrooms, use the Chicken Little fear tactics
and is capable of saying anything.
The questions I asked additionally evidence the COA disdain for the citizens. What is a General Budget? How much does this portion of the sales tax generate in income? Divide their 17 million dollar surplus by the sales tax earnings and the net is the number of years they got to get their act together before they need more money.
They project a 12million dollar loss which is overstating the impact because of increased sales tax receipts and new industry being added to the tax base (like Circuit City) but if you use their exagerated numbers, the 17 million surplus would keep the city on the same purse for 16 or 17 months from January 2008. If the council can't get its act together in that time, fuk'em. Of course, Myron wouldn't have that surplus to spread among his patrons and fans (and tenants).
Wouldn't it be nice to have a site that explaned the two renewals, what amount of the total current sales tax we are being asked to renew is, and what the money is being used for. It appears the COA receives on average 2.75 million a month in sales tax revenue or 18 million a year. If the COA figures it will lose 12 million this tax must acount for 2/3 of the sales taxes collected.
This seems untrue.
How incredibly stupid is our city council? Here, just a few days before we vote on the renewal of two taxes, our council is threatening to over-ride a possible veto by the nayor so the council can hire an "auditor" for $ 150,000 yearly salary. Up until now I was resigned to vote yes on the sales tax renewal and no on the property tax renewal. But after reading the leading story in today's Town Talk, I will vote not just "no" on both taxes, but HELL NO!
The only way the a sense of responsibility and accountability will become reality is to wean the entire bunch from the taxpayer's teat. The Administration is just as guilty as the Council. All the restore downtown BS and grandiose plans for revitlizing the inner city at this juncture are a waste of money when we have many more serious needs.
How will the average taxpayer benefit from saving tyhe Bentley? There is not enough income in the motel business downtown to retain a Holiday Inn franchise status.
The tax renewals will pass, becuase there will not be enough citizens to show up to beat it, while the city employees and their families, and those that do not pay taxes, will turn out on droves.
I thought most city employees did not live in the city. Wasn't that a big problem with the council a few months ago? Wasn't it Hobbs or Smith that said the city wasn't hiring enough black people and proposed that all city employees had to live in the city+
Hard to pass a tax when none of the city employees can afford to live in the city due to the high utility bills.
Didn't the town talk article also state that they wanted to also use this auditor to help with "legal" issues? Could this proposed auditor be Bridgett by any chance?
Not enough city employees live in the city to make a difference in any election. It will be the citizens who are footing all the bills for the city who will make or break the tax elections. Hope the city will use what money they have saved wisely.
"How will the average taxpayer benefit from saving tyhe Bentley? There is not enough income in the motel business downtown to retain a Holiday Inn franchise status."
Income has nothing to do with the loss of the franchise status - have you seen the condition of that hotel? It's worse than a Motel 6 or a Super 8. You would think Bob Dean had been running both hotels the way the former Holiday Inn has been taken care of lately.
Let me see the former Holiday Inn, owned by a friend of a CIOA councilman, is an integral part of marketing the convention center and the image is that bad?
Doesn't make sense to invest more taxpayer's money downtown when what we have is not maintained.
What about this great vision for downtown?
Do they honestly think they can scare us with doom and gloom? Sales tax collections are up and have been up for quite some time - even prior to the storm. Last month alone the two 1% taxes showed 5.26% growth in collections while the 1/2% tax increased by 5.39% according to the sales tax office.
What are they spending this money on?
I hope the first thing to go is the $1500 snack buffet that we spring for every meeting. It is served up in their maximum security chambers. I hope their caterer knows how to prepare crow.
The auditor the council wants to hire is against the city charter and the civil service commission rules. Heard they want to give it to Bridgette Brown!!
Raggio resigned. My family of taxpayers are voting "NO" to all taxes. Can't go along with the council giving away all our money.
Cecil resigned?
Think positive,do something positive and something positive will happen to you. On the other hand...
OK, I'm positive I ain't voting for those tax renewals.
The mayor told the Town Talk that this was just a way to get a certain lawyer paid and when asked if it was Bridget, said "no comment".
If Cecil resigned my thoughts would be something is flacky. Cecil is a pretty straight shooter and doesn't put up with flacky bs. If he resigned something is not kosher.
The City Council cannot hire any employee other than the City Clerk.
Having said that here is the sticky wick: Sec. 2-08. Investigations.
The city council may make investigations into the affairs of the city and the conduct of any city department, office or agency and for this purpose may subpoena witnesses, administer oaths, take testimony and require the production of evidence. Any person who fails or refuses to obey any lawful order of the council shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and shall be punished in such manner as the council shall fix by ordinance.
Sure seems like a wide ass open way to start digging into all departments. Bet the Council could legally hire a lawyer to investigate.
Ooooops!
(D) The right of the mayor to veto as provided in this section shall apply to all ordinances adopted by the city council except those which propose amendments to this charter; establish, alter or modify council procedure; establish council compensation; create staff agencies or officers for the council;
Then in non-legalese they cannot hire employees but can create a staff agency or officer?
I still would like to know if the City Attorney, without the Council approving an Ordnance, file a lawsuit on behalf of the City. I say he doesn't have the authority to initiate or settle a lawsuit.
dunno - but it looks like the mayor has to try to correct it by some method other than VETO
It appears to me that the City Attorney is an advisor to the Mayor and Council and represents the City in legal matters. No place in the Charters assigns the City any authority to do anything on his own.
The Charter assigns all authority to the Council except that specifically reserved for the Mayor. As pointed out it appears the Mayor cannot veto an ordnance establishing a Council Staff or Officer.
will today's council mtg. be broadcast live?
Veto stands!!
The only person pushing for an override vote was that amazingly stupid Chuck Fowler. I can't believe that guy is able to feed himself.
We need the fema ice which costs millions to cool down the council.
They ARE planning to override the veto, they are just waiting until after the election. Chuck Fowler knows this and was trying to force them to have the vote today. He doesn't want to override the veto.
In order to override the veto, they had to vote today. They can no longer override Roy's veto on those ordinances. I guess they could propose and pass them again. Chuck could have accomplished absolutely nothing good by forcing a vote.
(C) Ordinances vetoed by the mayor shall be submitted promptly to the city clerk who in turn shall submit them to the city council at the next regular meeting following receipt thereof. Should the council vote to readopt the ordinance by an affirmative vote of two-thirds ( 2/3) of all its members, said ordinance shall become law irrespective of the veto by the mayor.
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